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    <title>Towards a (Re)Definition of Sustainability: Justin Van Kleeck and Caroline Savery. 4-Caroline</title>
    <link>http://sustainablog.org/2008/08/04/towards-a-redefinition-of-sustainability-justin-van-kleeck-and-caroline-savery-4-caroline/</link>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Caroline Savery</dc:creator>
    
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Dear Justin,</p>
<p><a href="http://sustainablog.org/2008/08/04/towards-a-redefinition-of-sustainability-justin-van-kleeck-and-caroline-savery-3-justin/">You make some very effective arguments!</a> You are right to use my own posts in illustrating your thoughts.  Granted, those posts, written toward the end of the <a href="http://www.sust-enable.com">Sust Enable</a> project, demonstrate that my <em>original</em> concept of Sust Enable did not pan out because its original assumptions were flawed.  Indeed, for other people to have success with living sustainably, they must <a href="http://sustainablog.org/2008/06/27/sustainable-living-rule-1-be-gentle-to-yourself/">be gentle</a>, <a href="http://sustainablog.org/2008/06/30/sustainable-living-rule-2-have-fun/">have fun</a>, and <a href="http://sustainablog.org/2008/07/03/sustainable-living-rule-3-take-your-time/">go slow</a>&#8230; three things that I failed to consider for myself when undertaking the &#8220;radical&#8221; experiment.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="float: left" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Couple_in_Hammock.jpg" alt="" width="330" height="246" />I think the strongest point you make with your last post is the importance of living in a way that honors <em>your own</em> health and wellbeing, not just the Earth&#8217;s.   This is something that I&#8217;ve learned to consider the hard way, through the tribulations of the Sust Enable project (during which I ran up against my own physical limits of hunger, sleeplessness, and stress).  I <em>completely</em> agree with that: respect for yourself, as a living being with needs, comes first in making a healthy approach toward respecting the Earth and other living systems.</p>
<p>However, I recognize that <strong>our</strong> level of comfort is learned&#8211;it is borrowed from the culture that surrounds us.  It is by no means an &#8220;absolute&#8221; measure of comfort or happiness.  Even our very venues for acquiring what you and I need to survive are hugely affected by the culture we were born into.  People in Third World and sometimes Second World countries <em>live sustainably every day</em>&#8211;and in my experience when visiting Mexico, are considerably <em>happier</em> than the average American.  Is this because they have struck a good balance between respecting the natural world and their own personal patterns, in ways that over-worked, over-stressed and over-consumptive Americans can only dream of?  It&#8217;s a theory.
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    <title>Towards a (Re)Definition of Sustainability: Justin Van Kleeck and Caroline Savery. 2-Caroline</title>
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    <pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Caroline Savery</dc:creator>
    
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    <description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,<img class="alignright" style="float: right" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Earth_Western_Hemisphere.jpg" alt="" width="205" height="205" /></p>
<p>I deeply appreciate your thoughts and your comments from <a href="http://sustainablog.org/2008/08/02/towards-a-redefinition-of-sustainability-justin-van-kleeck-and-caroline-savery-1-justin/#more-3256">&#8220;Towards a (Re)Definition of Sustainability - #1&#8243;</a>.  I can tell that this is something you&#8217;ve been chewing on!  Me too.</p>
<p>I believe that changing a million lightbulbs to CFLs is absolutely NOT sustainable, because CFLs are currently (and probably will never be) manufactured sustainably, and so that option is simply unacceptable in terms of one-Earth <span class="nfakPe">sustainability</span>.  It may be more &#8220;green,&#8221; but it&#8217;s only an excuse to continue exploiting the Earth and its priceless natural arrangement.  Besides, what are the benefits of using more electricity versus <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/19/green-shock-cfls-more-dangerous-than-first-thought/">not putting more and more mercury into our landfills</a> and environments due to CFLs?  I&#8217;d like to see those numbers, too.</p>
<p>I think I seem radical (and truly, some of what I&#8217;ve tried has been too intense for me to even handle) because I demand <span class="nfakPe">sustainability</span> NOW, and reinforce that <span class="nfakPe">sustainability</span> can be possible NOW.  You are correct in saying that, in terms of basic &#8220;impact,&#8221; 10 people living off the grid makes less of a global difference than 1,000 people changing lightbulbs.  But will using &#8220;green&#8221; lightbulbs&#8211;or any kind of lightbulbs at all!&#8211;ever be one-Earth sustainable?</p>
<p>For more on this same kind of lens/perspective, check out <a href="http://www.derrickjensen.org/">Derrick Jensen</a>.  He argues that, for instance, using less gasoline doesn&#8217;t mean all the gasoline won&#8217;t get used up.  We are simply attempting feel-good tactics to remove ourselves from the guilt that comes with this awareness: that we are utterly dooming ourselves and all of life on Earth by our worldwide actions.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s the trade-off there: a life that&#8217;s slightly more inconvenient (but possibly more satisfying) that allows for life on Earth and a thriving ecosystem&#8230; or one single lifetime that is convenient, comfy and luxurious, at the expense of hundreds of lifetimes to come?  
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